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  <title>Episode 76: Tobie Langel on what people mean when they say "Open Source"</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Tobie Langel joins us to explore different types of open source: community-driven OSS, fauxpen source, the broader ecosystem, and nominal open source. </itunes:subtitle>
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Tobie Langel
Panelists
Richard Littauer
Show Notes
Hello and welcome to Sustain! On today’s episode, we have an amazing guest back for a second time, Tobie Langel, who is an open source strategy consultant and Founder of UnlockOpen. He’s a really great resource for learning about the ins and outs of how open source works, with his common-sense approach to dealing with common issues that we have with open source licenses. One of the reasons he is here is to talk about a wonderful Tweet he sent out about “this” graph of what is and what is not open source. Download this episode now to learn much more as Tobie goes in depth about each quadrant of the graph. 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsNzVN4W4Ag4_uN?format=jpg&amp;amp;name=large
[00:02:02] Tobie explains what he meant by “this” that he refers to in the Tweet. 
[00:04:08] Tobie talks more about licenses and compliance in using open source in corporations.
[00:07:06] Richard brings up Tobie’s Tweet about the grid with a Y and X axis and he describes what’s in each quadrant. 
[00:14:04] We learn what’s in the bottom right quadrant of the graph.
[00:17:29] Richard shares his ideas on the early days of open source and Tobie expands on them. 
[00:24:02] Tobie talks about the role of OSI and how he imagines OSI looking at this going forward. 
[00:30:16] Richard explains what he thinks about when he thinks of OSI and how the graph is a really useful way of talking with people to figure out where they are.
[00:32:24] Find out where you can follow Tobie on the internet. 
Quotes
[00:04:50] “The other thing that corporations really care about are security of the software and the other aspect is community health. Why? And what’s interesting, that security itself has to do really closely to community health.”
[00:19:06] “We say that copy left is a hack on copyright, but to some degree open source is a hack on copyright too. It’s a hack on being able to cross sort of corporate borders.”
Spotlight
  [00:33:50] Richard’s spotlights are ICQ, AIM, IRC, and AOL.
  [00:34:37] Tobie’s spotlight is a book he read called, How to Take Smart Notes by Sönke Ahrens.
Links
Tobie Langel Twitter (https://twitter.com/tobie?lang=en)
Tobie Langel Linkedin (https://ch.linkedin.com/in/tobielangel)
Tobie Langel Graph (https://twitter.com/tobie/status/1352051125353127936) 
UnlockOpen (https://unlockopen.com/)
Sustain Discourse (https://discourse.sustainoss.org/)
OSI (https://opensource.org/)
ICQ New (https://www.icq.com/)
AIM (Software) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM_(software))
IRC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat)
AOL (https://www.aol.com/)
Credits
Produced by Richard Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com/)
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/) Special Guest: Tobie Langel.
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    <![CDATA[<h4>Guest</h4>

<p>Tobie Langel</p>

<h4>Panelists</h4>

<p>Richard Littauer</p>

<h4>Show Notes</h4>

<p>Hello and welcome to Sustain! On today’s episode, we have an amazing guest back for a second time, Tobie Langel, who is an open source strategy consultant and Founder of UnlockOpen. He’s a really great resource for learning about the ins and outs of how open source works, with his common-sense approach to dealing with common issues that we have with open source licenses. One of the reasons he is here is to talk about a wonderful Tweet he sent out about “this” graph of what is and what is not open source. Download this episode now to learn much more as Tobie goes in depth about each quadrant of the graph. </p>

<p><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsNzVN4W4Ag4_uN?format=jpg&name=large" alt=""></p>

<p>[00:02:02] Tobie explains what he meant by “this” that he refers to in the Tweet. </p>

<p>[00:04:08] Tobie talks more about licenses and compliance in using open source in corporations.</p>

<p>[00:07:06] Richard brings up Tobie’s Tweet about the grid with a Y and X axis and he describes what’s in each quadrant. </p>

<p>[00:14:04] We learn what’s in the bottom right quadrant of the graph.</p>

<p>[00:17:29] Richard shares his ideas on the early days of open source and Tobie expands on them. </p>

<p>[00:24:02] Tobie talks about the role of OSI and how he imagines OSI looking at this going forward. </p>

<p>[00:30:16] Richard explains what he thinks about when he thinks of OSI and how the graph is a really useful way of talking with people to figure out where they are.</p>

<p>[00:32:24] Find out where you can follow Tobie on the internet. </p>

<h4>Quotes</h4>

<p>[00:04:50] “The other thing that corporations really care about are security of the software and the other aspect is community health. Why? And what’s interesting, that security itself has to do really closely to community health.”</p>

<p>[00:19:06] “We say that copy left is a hack on copyright, but to some degree open source is a hack on copyright too. It’s a hack on being able to cross sort of corporate borders.”</p>

<h4>Spotlight</h4>

<ul>
<li>  [00:33:50] Richard’s spotlights are ICQ, AIM, IRC, and AOL.</li>
<li>  [00:34:37] Tobie’s spotlight is a book he read called, <em>How to Take Smart Notes</em> by Sönke Ahrens.</li>
</ul>

<h4>Links</h4>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/tobie?lang=en" rel="nofollow">Tobie Langel Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ch.linkedin.com/in/tobielangel" rel="nofollow">Tobie Langel Linkedin</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/tobie/status/1352051125353127936" rel="nofollow">Tobie Langel Graph</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://unlockopen.com/" rel="nofollow">UnlockOpen</a></li>
<li><a href="https://discourse.sustainoss.org/" rel="nofollow">Sustain Discourse</a></li>
<li><a href="https://opensource.org/" rel="nofollow">OSI</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icq.com/" rel="nofollow">ICQ New</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM_(software)" rel="nofollow">AIM (Software)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat" rel="nofollow">IRC</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.aol.com/" rel="nofollow">AOL</a></li>
</ul>

<h4>Credits</h4>

<ul>
<li>Produced by <a href="https://www.burntfen.com/" rel="nofollow">Richard Littauer</a></li>
<li>Edited by Paul M. Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a>
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Tobie Langel.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://opencollective.com/sustain-podcast">Support Sustain</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<h4>Guest</h4>

<p>Tobie Langel</p>

<h4>Panelists</h4>

<p>Richard Littauer</p>

<h4>Show Notes</h4>

<p>Hello and welcome to Sustain! On today’s episode, we have an amazing guest back for a second time, Tobie Langel, who is an open source strategy consultant and Founder of UnlockOpen. He’s a really great resource for learning about the ins and outs of how open source works, with his common-sense approach to dealing with common issues that we have with open source licenses. One of the reasons he is here is to talk about a wonderful Tweet he sent out about “this” graph of what is and what is not open source. Download this episode now to learn much more as Tobie goes in depth about each quadrant of the graph. </p>

<p><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsNzVN4W4Ag4_uN?format=jpg&name=large" alt=""></p>

<p>[00:02:02] Tobie explains what he meant by “this” that he refers to in the Tweet. </p>

<p>[00:04:08] Tobie talks more about licenses and compliance in using open source in corporations.</p>

<p>[00:07:06] Richard brings up Tobie’s Tweet about the grid with a Y and X axis and he describes what’s in each quadrant. </p>

<p>[00:14:04] We learn what’s in the bottom right quadrant of the graph.</p>

<p>[00:17:29] Richard shares his ideas on the early days of open source and Tobie expands on them. </p>

<p>[00:24:02] Tobie talks about the role of OSI and how he imagines OSI looking at this going forward. </p>

<p>[00:30:16] Richard explains what he thinks about when he thinks of OSI and how the graph is a really useful way of talking with people to figure out where they are.</p>

<p>[00:32:24] Find out where you can follow Tobie on the internet. </p>

<h4>Quotes</h4>

<p>[00:04:50] “The other thing that corporations really care about are security of the software and the other aspect is community health. Why? And what’s interesting, that security itself has to do really closely to community health.”</p>

<p>[00:19:06] “We say that copy left is a hack on copyright, but to some degree open source is a hack on copyright too. It’s a hack on being able to cross sort of corporate borders.”</p>

<h4>Spotlight</h4>

<ul>
<li>  [00:33:50] Richard’s spotlights are ICQ, AIM, IRC, and AOL.</li>
<li>  [00:34:37] Tobie’s spotlight is a book he read called, <em>How to Take Smart Notes</em> by Sönke Ahrens.</li>
</ul>

<h4>Links</h4>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/tobie?lang=en" rel="nofollow">Tobie Langel Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ch.linkedin.com/in/tobielangel" rel="nofollow">Tobie Langel Linkedin</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/tobie/status/1352051125353127936" rel="nofollow">Tobie Langel Graph</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://unlockopen.com/" rel="nofollow">UnlockOpen</a></li>
<li><a href="https://discourse.sustainoss.org/" rel="nofollow">Sustain Discourse</a></li>
<li><a href="https://opensource.org/" rel="nofollow">OSI</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icq.com/" rel="nofollow">ICQ New</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM_(software)" rel="nofollow">AIM (Software)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat" rel="nofollow">IRC</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.aol.com/" rel="nofollow">AOL</a></li>
</ul>

<h4>Credits</h4>

<ul>
<li>Produced by <a href="https://www.burntfen.com/" rel="nofollow">Richard Littauer</a></li>
<li>Edited by Paul M. Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a>
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Tobie Langel.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://opencollective.com/sustain-podcast">Support Sustain</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 51: Working in Public: Nadia Eghbal and her new book about Making and Sustaining Open Source Software</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2020 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>SustainOSS</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Nadia Eghbal, author of the seminal work Roads and Bridges, came on to talk to us about her new book, Working in Public.</itunes:subtitle>
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Panelists
Allen "Gunner" Gunn | Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer 
Guest
Nadia Eghbal (https://nadiaeghbal.com/)
Show Notes
Hello and welcome to Sustain!  Today, we have special guest. Nadia Eghbal, a writer and researcher, works for Substack, and has a new book out which we will be talking about today!  We discuss Nadia’s book, what it’s all about, why she wrote it, and why Eric refers to it as the “Open Source Bible.”  She also talks about the report she did called, “Roads and Bridges,” published by the Ford Foundation. Find out why she has been called the “Open Source Archaeologist.”  Download this episode now! 
[00:01:43] Nadia tells us all about her book, what it’s about, and why she wrote it. 
[00:02:56] Justin asks Nadia what her expectations were of writing her report, Roads and Bridges.
[00:05:01] Eric mentions a talk Nadia gave a few years back, and she used a “lobster” reference throughout it, so he wonders what her motivation was behind going so deep into creating a legacy of documentation and knowledge that very few people in the world have. 
[00:09:16] Richard brings up Mike McQuaid’s sticker funds and Nadia brings up an example of this. 
[00:11:40] Eric talks about Nadia’s book which he refers to as the “Open Source Bible,” and Gunner adds his viewpoint as well.
[00:13:24] Gunner asks Nadia if this book leads to actions and does she have any thoughts about what actions she would like it to lead to on the part of readers.  
[00:15:36] Gunner has an archaeology question for Nadia and is curious to know if she has reflected on the idea that when you’re not downloading, when you’re not installing the idea of a license or the idea of a piece of technology, being more community created, as a more abstract or removed concept.
[00:17:52] Justin brings up a previous podcast guest, Matt Asay from AWS, talking about Amazon working hand in hand with Redis and all these other open source companies, and he asks Nadia what she thinks about this. 
[00:22:03] Richard is curious to know what to do with projects that don’t have a charismatic leader where it hasn’t focused on who they are, which may have really good documentation. Is there any hope for any of those projects or they doomed to just continually wither and run out of steam?  Nadia gives us the run down.
[00:27:28] Richard wants to know what Nadia is doing at Sub Stack that is so interesting to her and following the research that you’ve learned from this book, why there?  She tells us why she wrote the book. 
[00:32:37] Justin mentions a book he read called, Hate Inc. by Matt Taibbi, who has a Sub Stack thing. This is a great read! ☺
[00:35:08] Richard wants to know how Nadia can help people who write low-level software projects, who don’t have the power or the means or they are shy. What can we do to help those people?  
[00:38:22] Nadia tells us where you can find her on the internet, where you can find her book, and work.  
Spotlight
  [00:39:02] Gunner’s spotlight is Gosh science. 
  [00:37:27] Justin’s spotlight is Nadia’s book, Working in Public (real world version).
  [00:39:30] Eric’s spotlight is also Nadia’s book, Working in Public and a quote from the book. 
  [00:41:32] Richard’s spotlight is the concept of Antilibraries.  
  [00:42:25] Nadia’s spotlight is Brendon Schlagel’s anti-library. 
Quotes
[00:11:39] “I think what we’re seeing happen in all of this is we’re working toward building a shared vocabulary of the universe of this ecosystem, where each project is going to have its own arcane vocabulary over time.”
[00:17:49] “Depending on who you talk to, the term open source just means so many things to different people.”
Links
Nadia Eghbal Website (https://nadiaeghbal.com/oss/)
Nadia Eghbal Twitter (https://twitter.com/nayafia?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Nadia Eghbal Linux Conf AU 2017- Consider the Maintainer (YouTube) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2AR1owg0ao)
Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578675862/)
Substack (https://substack.com/)
Gathering for Open Science Hardware (GOSH) (http://openhardware.science/)
Antilibraries (https://www.antilibrari.es/)
Hate Inc: Why Today’s Media Makes Us Despise One Another by Matt Taibbi (https://www.amazon.com/Hate-Inc-Todays-Despise-Another/dp/1949017257)
Credits
Produced by
Richard Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com)
Rebase.fm (https://rebase.fm/)
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Ad Sales by Eric Berry
 Special Guest: Nadia Eghbal.
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<h4>Panelists</h4>

<p>Allen &quot;Gunner&quot; Gunn | Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer </p>

<h4>Guest</h4>

<p><a href="https://nadiaeghbal.com/" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal</a></p>

<h4>Show Notes</h4>

<p>Hello and welcome to Sustain!  Today, we have special guest. Nadia Eghbal, a writer and researcher, works for Substack, and has a new book out which we will be talking about today!  We discuss Nadia’s book, what it’s all about, why she wrote it, and why Eric refers to it as the “Open Source Bible.”  She also talks about the report she did called, “Roads and Bridges,” published by the Ford Foundation. Find out why she has been called the “Open Source Archaeologist.”  Download this episode now! </p>

<p>[00:01:43] Nadia tells us all about her book, what it’s about, and why she wrote it. </p>

<p>[00:02:56] Justin asks Nadia what her expectations were of writing her report, <em>Roads and Bridges.</em></p>

<p>[00:05:01] Eric mentions a talk Nadia gave a few years back, and she used a “lobster” reference throughout it, so he wonders what her motivation was behind going so deep into creating a legacy of documentation and knowledge that very few people in the world have. </p>

<p>[00:09:16] Richard brings up Mike McQuaid’s sticker funds and Nadia brings up an example of this. </p>

<p>[00:11:40] Eric talks about Nadia’s book which he refers to as the “Open Source Bible,” and Gunner adds his viewpoint as well.</p>

<p>[00:13:24] Gunner asks Nadia if this book leads to actions and does she have any thoughts about what actions she would like it to lead to on the part of readers.  </p>

<p>[00:15:36] Gunner has an archaeology question for Nadia and is curious to know if she has reflected on the idea that when you’re not downloading, when you’re not installing the idea of a license or the idea of a piece of technology, being more community created, as a more abstract or removed concept.</p>

<p>[00:17:52] Justin brings up a previous podcast guest, Matt Asay from AWS, talking about Amazon working hand in hand with Redis and all these other open source companies, and he asks Nadia what she thinks about this. </p>

<p>[00:22:03] Richard is curious to know what to do with projects that don’t have a charismatic leader where it hasn’t focused on who they are, which may have really good documentation. Is there any hope for any of those projects or they doomed to just continually wither and run out of steam?  Nadia gives us the run down.</p>

<p>[00:27:28] Richard wants to know what Nadia is doing at Sub Stack that is so interesting to her and following the research that you’ve learned from this book, why there?  She tells us why she wrote the book. </p>

<p>[00:32:37] Justin mentions a book he read called, <em>Hate Inc.</em> by Matt Taibbi, who has a Sub Stack thing. This is a great read! ☺</p>

<p>[00:35:08] Richard wants to know how Nadia can help people who write low-level software projects, who don’t have the power or the means or they are shy. What can we do to help those people?  </p>

<p>[00:38:22] Nadia tells us where you can find her on the internet, where you can find her book, and work.  </p>

<h4>Spotlight</h4>

<ul>
<li>  [00:39:02] Gunner’s spotlight is Gosh science. </li>
<li>  [00:37:27] Justin’s spotlight is Nadia’s book, <em>Working in Public</em> (real world version).</li>
<li>  [00:39:30] Eric’s spotlight is also Nadia’s book, <em>Working in Public</em> and a quote from the book. </li>
<li>  [00:41:32] Richard’s spotlight is the concept of Antilibraries.<br></li>
<li>  [00:42:25] Nadia’s spotlight is Brendon Schlagel’s anti-library. </li>
</ul>

<h4>Quotes</h4>

<p>[00:11:39] “I think what we’re seeing happen in all of this is we’re working toward building a shared vocabulary of the universe of this ecosystem, where each project is going to have its own arcane vocabulary over time.”</p>

<p>[00:17:49] “Depending on who you talk to, the term open source just means so many things to different people.”</p>

<h4>Links</h4>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://nadiaeghbal.com/oss/" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal Website</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/nayafia?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2AR1owg0ao" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal Linux Conf AU 2017- Consider the Maintainer (YouTube)</a></li>
<li><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578675862/" rel="nofollow">Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal</a></em></li>
<li><a href="https://substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Substack</a></li>
<li><a href="http://openhardware.science/" rel="nofollow">Gathering for Open Science Hardware (GOSH)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.antilibrari.es/" rel="nofollow">Antilibraries</a></li>
<li><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Hate-Inc-Todays-Despise-Another/dp/1949017257" rel="nofollow">Hate Inc: Why Today’s Media Makes Us Despise One Another by Matt Taibbi</a></em></li>
</ul>

<h4>Credits</h4>

<ul>
<li>Produced by

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.burntfen.com" rel="nofollow">Richard Littauer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rebase.fm/" rel="nofollow">Rebase.fm</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Edited by Paul M. Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
<li>Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
<li>Ad Sales by Eric Berry</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Nadia Eghbal.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://opencollective.com/sustain-podcast">Support Sustain</a></p>]]>
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<h4>Panelists</h4>

<p>Allen &quot;Gunner&quot; Gunn | Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer </p>

<h4>Guest</h4>

<p><a href="https://nadiaeghbal.com/" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal</a></p>

<h4>Show Notes</h4>

<p>Hello and welcome to Sustain!  Today, we have special guest. Nadia Eghbal, a writer and researcher, works for Substack, and has a new book out which we will be talking about today!  We discuss Nadia’s book, what it’s all about, why she wrote it, and why Eric refers to it as the “Open Source Bible.”  She also talks about the report she did called, “Roads and Bridges,” published by the Ford Foundation. Find out why she has been called the “Open Source Archaeologist.”  Download this episode now! </p>

<p>[00:01:43] Nadia tells us all about her book, what it’s about, and why she wrote it. </p>

<p>[00:02:56] Justin asks Nadia what her expectations were of writing her report, <em>Roads and Bridges.</em></p>

<p>[00:05:01] Eric mentions a talk Nadia gave a few years back, and she used a “lobster” reference throughout it, so he wonders what her motivation was behind going so deep into creating a legacy of documentation and knowledge that very few people in the world have. </p>

<p>[00:09:16] Richard brings up Mike McQuaid’s sticker funds and Nadia brings up an example of this. </p>

<p>[00:11:40] Eric talks about Nadia’s book which he refers to as the “Open Source Bible,” and Gunner adds his viewpoint as well.</p>

<p>[00:13:24] Gunner asks Nadia if this book leads to actions and does she have any thoughts about what actions she would like it to lead to on the part of readers.  </p>

<p>[00:15:36] Gunner has an archaeology question for Nadia and is curious to know if she has reflected on the idea that when you’re not downloading, when you’re not installing the idea of a license or the idea of a piece of technology, being more community created, as a more abstract or removed concept.</p>

<p>[00:17:52] Justin brings up a previous podcast guest, Matt Asay from AWS, talking about Amazon working hand in hand with Redis and all these other open source companies, and he asks Nadia what she thinks about this. </p>

<p>[00:22:03] Richard is curious to know what to do with projects that don’t have a charismatic leader where it hasn’t focused on who they are, which may have really good documentation. Is there any hope for any of those projects or they doomed to just continually wither and run out of steam?  Nadia gives us the run down.</p>

<p>[00:27:28] Richard wants to know what Nadia is doing at Sub Stack that is so interesting to her and following the research that you’ve learned from this book, why there?  She tells us why she wrote the book. </p>

<p>[00:32:37] Justin mentions a book he read called, <em>Hate Inc.</em> by Matt Taibbi, who has a Sub Stack thing. This is a great read! ☺</p>

<p>[00:35:08] Richard wants to know how Nadia can help people who write low-level software projects, who don’t have the power or the means or they are shy. What can we do to help those people?  </p>

<p>[00:38:22] Nadia tells us where you can find her on the internet, where you can find her book, and work.  </p>

<h4>Spotlight</h4>

<ul>
<li>  [00:39:02] Gunner’s spotlight is Gosh science. </li>
<li>  [00:37:27] Justin’s spotlight is Nadia’s book, <em>Working in Public</em> (real world version).</li>
<li>  [00:39:30] Eric’s spotlight is also Nadia’s book, <em>Working in Public</em> and a quote from the book. </li>
<li>  [00:41:32] Richard’s spotlight is the concept of Antilibraries.<br></li>
<li>  [00:42:25] Nadia’s spotlight is Brendon Schlagel’s anti-library. </li>
</ul>

<h4>Quotes</h4>

<p>[00:11:39] “I think what we’re seeing happen in all of this is we’re working toward building a shared vocabulary of the universe of this ecosystem, where each project is going to have its own arcane vocabulary over time.”</p>

<p>[00:17:49] “Depending on who you talk to, the term open source just means so many things to different people.”</p>

<h4>Links</h4>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://nadiaeghbal.com/oss/" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal Website</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/nayafia?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2AR1owg0ao" rel="nofollow">Nadia Eghbal Linux Conf AU 2017- Consider the Maintainer (YouTube)</a></li>
<li><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578675862/" rel="nofollow">Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal</a></em></li>
<li><a href="https://substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Substack</a></li>
<li><a href="http://openhardware.science/" rel="nofollow">Gathering for Open Science Hardware (GOSH)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.antilibrari.es/" rel="nofollow">Antilibraries</a></li>
<li><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Hate-Inc-Todays-Despise-Another/dp/1949017257" rel="nofollow">Hate Inc: Why Today’s Media Makes Us Despise One Another by Matt Taibbi</a></em></li>
</ul>

<h4>Credits</h4>

<ul>
<li>Produced by

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.burntfen.com" rel="nofollow">Richard Littauer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rebase.fm/" rel="nofollow">Rebase.fm</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Edited by Paul M. Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
<li>Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
<li>Ad Sales by Eric Berry</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Nadia Eghbal.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://opencollective.com/sustain-podcast">Support Sustain</a></p>]]>
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Panelists
Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer
Guest
Kevin Owocki  
Gitcoin (https://gitcoin.co/)
Show Notes
Hello and welcome to Sustain!  Today, we have special guest, Kevin Owocki, founder of Gitcoin.  We find out what Gitcoin does and what’s changed with it in the past couple of years. Some other topics we discuss are Quadratic Funding (QF), a hot new thing called DeFi, Ethereum, Blockchain, and Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO. Download this episode now to find out this and much more!
[00:01:27] Kevin tells us what Gitcoin does, what he’s doing there, and what’s changed in the past couple of years.
[00:03:43] The hot new thing is “DeFi.”  Kevin explains what this is. Richard wonders if there’s any way to make some sort of mutual funds out of all the different dollars, out of all the different major currencies that you can actually stabilize and cross them.
[00:05:54] Richard wonders if the currencies have shifted in this stable currency market and has that affected DAI and Gitcoin in any way, and has Kevin seen less percentages going out because the current downturn in the global economy at all.
[00:07:44] Eric brings us economic struggle and he wants to know Kevin’s perspective on blockchain and if they’ve stepped up. Does this whole process make people think that we need to have more control over the structure of our economy?
[00:12:44] Kevin answers a question about maintainer’s views on providing quality or quantity on contributions. We also find out how much money has flown through Gitcoin’s platform.
[00:15:39] Eric asks Kevin, since there is a lot of money pumping through Gitcoin’s platform and the intention is to sustain open source, is that focusing on blockchain projects now and does he see this type of technology or this idea moving into more of a global landscape with all sorts of projects? Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO is also mentioned.
[00:19:52] Kevin explains what QF is. We also find out how QF can be gamed.
[00:32:41] If you are a maintainer, and you want to get involved in Quadratic Funding, find out here how to get involved.
[00:34:50] Kevin tells us how people can go about from nothing to doing stuff with Quadratic Funding, using Ethereum, using Gitcoin, or learning about DAI, if they don’t know anything right now.
[00:36:12] Kevin tells us where we can find more about him online.
Spotlight
[00:37:34] Justin’s spotlight is inspired by Dave Gandy, Episode 41, a weight loss app called NOOM.
[00:38:11] Eric’s spotlight is Kevin’s magnificent mane and the shampoo he uses.
[00:39:10] Richard’s spotlight is Awesome Remote Job-a repo run by Lukasz Madon.
[00:39:57] Kevin’s spotlight is Ethereum.
Quotes
[00:13:23] “One of the things she said was, even when contributors are coming to these repos is that they’re not providing quality contributions.  And if they do, then they’re like drive by contributions and they don’t come back and they don’t promote to maintainers.”
[00:23:37] “If you push the power out to the edges and you let your community decide what to find, not only does that push the decision out to the edges, the Ethereum Foundation gets to measure which projects their community cares about. The community co-funds the projects along with them and they can fund a thousand projects per quarter or ten thousand projects per quarter instead of just 10-20.
[00:41:25] “And so, I’m really excited about what Ethereum is doing and I want an Ether-binge.  You should check it out!”
Links
Kevin Owocki Website (https://owocki.com/)
Kevin Owocki Twitter (https://twitter.com/owocki)
Kevin Owocki Gitcoin (https://gitcoin.co/owocki)
Gitcoin (https://gitcoin.co/)
Funding Open Source With Gitcoin-Devchat.tv ()https://devchat.tv/sustain-our-software/sos-014-funding-open-source-with-gitcoin/
Downtown Stimulus (https://downtownstimulus.com/)
Gitcoinco Quadratic Funding-GitHub (https://github.com/gitcoinco/quadratic-funding)
DeFi (https://blog.coinbase.com/a-beginners-guide-to-decentralized-finance-defi-574c68ff43c4)
Ethereum (https://ethereum.org/en/)
Awesome Remote Job-Lukasz Madon (https://github.com/lukasz-madon/awesome-remote-job)
Sustain Podcast – Episode 41 (https://fireside.fm/s/fxw-Bcan+HH3L5owT)
Noom (https://www.noom.com/programs/health-weight/exsf01d/?upv=3&amp;amp;sp=google&amp;amp;utm_source=g&amp;amp;utm_medium=paidsearch&amp;amp;utm_campaign=1355772182&amp;amp;utm_content=328167418798&amp;amp;utm_term=kwd-387385511434%7Cnoom%20app&amp;amp;gid=52400241737%7C&amp;amp;type=branded%7Cintent%7Ce&amp;amp;cid=EAIaIQobChMIv6zA2sab6wIVBopaBR3q3Qp9EAAYASAAEgKncfD_BwE&amp;amp;pos=&amp;amp;step=pros&amp;amp;lang=en&amp;amp;device=c&amp;amp;gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv6zA2sab6wIVBopaBR3q3Qp9EAAYASAAEgKncfD_BwE#/)
Credits
Produced by
Richard Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com)
Rebase.fm (https://rebase.fm/)
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
 Special Guest: Kevin Owocki.
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<h4>Panelists</h4>

<p>Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer</p>

<h4>Guest</h4>

<p>Kevin Owocki<br><br>
<a href="https://gitcoin.co/" rel="nofollow">Gitcoin</a></p>

<h4>Show Notes</h4>

<p>Hello and welcome to Sustain!  Today, we have special guest, Kevin Owocki, founder of Gitcoin.  We find out what Gitcoin does and what’s changed with it in the past couple of years. Some other topics we discuss are Quadratic Funding (QF), a hot new thing called DeFi, Ethereum, Blockchain, and Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO. Download this episode now to find out this and much more!</p>

<p>[00:01:27] Kevin tells us what Gitcoin does, what he’s doing there, and what’s changed in the past couple of years.</p>

<p>[00:03:43] The hot new thing is “DeFi.”  Kevin explains what this is. Richard wonders if there’s any way to make some sort of mutual funds out of all the different dollars, out of all the different major currencies that you can actually stabilize and cross them.</p>

<p>[00:05:54] Richard wonders if the currencies have shifted in this stable currency market and has that affected DAI and Gitcoin in any way, and has Kevin seen less percentages going out because the current downturn in the global economy at all.</p>

<p>[00:07:44] Eric brings us economic struggle and he wants to know Kevin’s perspective on blockchain and if they’ve stepped up. Does this whole process make people think that we need to have more control over the structure of our economy?</p>

<p>[00:12:44] Kevin answers a question about maintainer’s views on providing quality or quantity on contributions. We also find out how much money has flown through Gitcoin’s platform.</p>

<p>[00:15:39] Eric asks Kevin, since there is a lot of money pumping through Gitcoin’s platform and the intention is to sustain open source, is that focusing on blockchain projects now and does he see this type of technology or this idea moving into more of a global landscape with all sorts of projects? Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO is also mentioned.</p>

<p>[00:19:52] Kevin explains what QF is. We also find out how QF can be gamed.</p>

<p>[00:32:41] If you are a maintainer, and you want to get involved in Quadratic Funding, find out here how to get involved.</p>

<p>[00:34:50] Kevin tells us how people can go about from nothing to doing stuff with Quadratic Funding, using Ethereum, using Gitcoin, or learning about DAI, if they don’t know anything right now.</p>

<p>[00:36:12] Kevin tells us where we can find more about him online.</p>

<h4>Spotlight</h4>

<ul>
<li>[00:37:34] Justin’s spotlight is inspired by Dave Gandy, Episode 41, a weight loss app called NOOM.</li>
<li>[00:38:11] Eric’s spotlight is Kevin’s magnificent mane and the shampoo he uses.</li>
<li>[00:39:10] Richard’s spotlight is Awesome Remote Job-a repo run by Lukasz Madon.</li>
<li>[00:39:57] Kevin’s spotlight is Ethereum.</li>
</ul>

<h4>Quotes</h4>

<p>[00:13:23] “One of the things she said was, even when contributors are coming to these repos is that they’re not providing quality contributions.  And if they do, then they’re like drive by contributions and they don’t come back and they don’t promote to maintainers.”</p>

<p>[00:23:37] “If you push the power out to the edges and you let your community decide what to find, not only does that push the decision out to the edges, the Ethereum Foundation gets to measure which projects their community cares about. The community co-funds the projects along with them and they can fund a thousand projects per quarter or ten thousand projects per quarter instead of just 10-20.</p>

<p>[00:41:25] “And so, I’m really excited about what Ethereum is doing and I want an Ether-binge.  You should check it out!”</p>

<h4>Links</h4>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://owocki.com/" rel="nofollow">Kevin Owocki Website</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/owocki" rel="nofollow">Kevin Owocki Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gitcoin.co/owocki" rel="nofollow">Kevin Owocki Gitcoin</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gitcoin.co/" rel="nofollow">Gitcoin</a></li>
<li><a href="" rel="nofollow">Funding Open Source With Gitcoin-Devchat.tv</a><a href="https://devchat.tv/sustain-our-software/sos-014-funding-open-source-with-gitcoin/" rel="nofollow">https://devchat.tv/sustain-our-software/sos-014-funding-open-source-with-gitcoin/</a></li>
<li><a href="https://downtownstimulus.com/" rel="nofollow">Downtown Stimulus</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/gitcoinco/quadratic-funding" rel="nofollow">Gitcoinco Quadratic Funding-GitHub</a></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.coinbase.com/a-beginners-guide-to-decentralized-finance-defi-574c68ff43c4" rel="nofollow">DeFi</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ethereum.org/en/" rel="nofollow">Ethereum</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/lukasz-madon/awesome-remote-job" rel="nofollow">Awesome Remote Job-Lukasz Madon</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fireside.fm/s/fxw-Bcan+HH3L5owT" rel="nofollow">Sustain Podcast – Episode 41</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.noom.com/programs/health-weight/exsf01d/?upv=3&sp=google&utm_source=g&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=1355772182&utm_content=328167418798&utm_term=kwd-387385511434%7Cnoom%20app&gid=52400241737%7C&type=branded%7Cintent%7Ce&cid=EAIaIQobChMIv6zA2sab6wIVBopaBR3q3Qp9EAAYASAAEgKncfD_BwE&pos=&step=pros&lang=en&device=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv6zA2sab6wIVBopaBR3q3Qp9EAAYASAAEgKncfD_BwE#/" rel="nofollow">Noom</a></li>
</ul>

<h4>Credits</h4>

<ul>
<li>Produced by

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.burntfen.com" rel="nofollow">Richard Littauer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rebase.fm/" rel="nofollow">Rebase.fm</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Edited by Paul M. Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
<li>Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Kevin Owocki.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://opencollective.com/sustain-podcast">Support Sustain</a></p>]]>
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<h4>Panelists</h4>

<p>Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer</p>

<h4>Guest</h4>

<p>Kevin Owocki<br><br>
<a href="https://gitcoin.co/" rel="nofollow">Gitcoin</a></p>

<h4>Show Notes</h4>

<p>Hello and welcome to Sustain!  Today, we have special guest, Kevin Owocki, founder of Gitcoin.  We find out what Gitcoin does and what’s changed with it in the past couple of years. Some other topics we discuss are Quadratic Funding (QF), a hot new thing called DeFi, Ethereum, Blockchain, and Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO. Download this episode now to find out this and much more!</p>

<p>[00:01:27] Kevin tells us what Gitcoin does, what he’s doing there, and what’s changed in the past couple of years.</p>

<p>[00:03:43] The hot new thing is “DeFi.”  Kevin explains what this is. Richard wonders if there’s any way to make some sort of mutual funds out of all the different dollars, out of all the different major currencies that you can actually stabilize and cross them.</p>

<p>[00:05:54] Richard wonders if the currencies have shifted in this stable currency market and has that affected DAI and Gitcoin in any way, and has Kevin seen less percentages going out because the current downturn in the global economy at all.</p>

<p>[00:07:44] Eric brings us economic struggle and he wants to know Kevin’s perspective on blockchain and if they’ve stepped up. Does this whole process make people think that we need to have more control over the structure of our economy?</p>

<p>[00:12:44] Kevin answers a question about maintainer’s views on providing quality or quantity on contributions. We also find out how much money has flown through Gitcoin’s platform.</p>

<p>[00:15:39] Eric asks Kevin, since there is a lot of money pumping through Gitcoin’s platform and the intention is to sustain open source, is that focusing on blockchain projects now and does he see this type of technology or this idea moving into more of a global landscape with all sorts of projects? Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO is also mentioned.</p>

<p>[00:19:52] Kevin explains what QF is. We also find out how QF can be gamed.</p>

<p>[00:32:41] If you are a maintainer, and you want to get involved in Quadratic Funding, find out here how to get involved.</p>

<p>[00:34:50] Kevin tells us how people can go about from nothing to doing stuff with Quadratic Funding, using Ethereum, using Gitcoin, or learning about DAI, if they don’t know anything right now.</p>

<p>[00:36:12] Kevin tells us where we can find more about him online.</p>

<h4>Spotlight</h4>

<ul>
<li>[00:37:34] Justin’s spotlight is inspired by Dave Gandy, Episode 41, a weight loss app called NOOM.</li>
<li>[00:38:11] Eric’s spotlight is Kevin’s magnificent mane and the shampoo he uses.</li>
<li>[00:39:10] Richard’s spotlight is Awesome Remote Job-a repo run by Lukasz Madon.</li>
<li>[00:39:57] Kevin’s spotlight is Ethereum.</li>
</ul>

<h4>Quotes</h4>

<p>[00:13:23] “One of the things she said was, even when contributors are coming to these repos is that they’re not providing quality contributions.  And if they do, then they’re like drive by contributions and they don’t come back and they don’t promote to maintainers.”</p>

<p>[00:23:37] “If you push the power out to the edges and you let your community decide what to find, not only does that push the decision out to the edges, the Ethereum Foundation gets to measure which projects their community cares about. The community co-funds the projects along with them and they can fund a thousand projects per quarter or ten thousand projects per quarter instead of just 10-20.</p>

<p>[00:41:25] “And so, I’m really excited about what Ethereum is doing and I want an Ether-binge.  You should check it out!”</p>

<h4>Links</h4>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://owocki.com/" rel="nofollow">Kevin Owocki Website</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/owocki" rel="nofollow">Kevin Owocki Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gitcoin.co/owocki" rel="nofollow">Kevin Owocki Gitcoin</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gitcoin.co/" rel="nofollow">Gitcoin</a></li>
<li><a href="" rel="nofollow">Funding Open Source With Gitcoin-Devchat.tv</a><a href="https://devchat.tv/sustain-our-software/sos-014-funding-open-source-with-gitcoin/" rel="nofollow">https://devchat.tv/sustain-our-software/sos-014-funding-open-source-with-gitcoin/</a></li>
<li><a href="https://downtownstimulus.com/" rel="nofollow">Downtown Stimulus</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/gitcoinco/quadratic-funding" rel="nofollow">Gitcoinco Quadratic Funding-GitHub</a></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.coinbase.com/a-beginners-guide-to-decentralized-finance-defi-574c68ff43c4" rel="nofollow">DeFi</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ethereum.org/en/" rel="nofollow">Ethereum</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/lukasz-madon/awesome-remote-job" rel="nofollow">Awesome Remote Job-Lukasz Madon</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fireside.fm/s/fxw-Bcan+HH3L5owT" rel="nofollow">Sustain Podcast – Episode 41</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.noom.com/programs/health-weight/exsf01d/?upv=3&sp=google&utm_source=g&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=1355772182&utm_content=328167418798&utm_term=kwd-387385511434%7Cnoom%20app&gid=52400241737%7C&type=branded%7Cintent%7Ce&cid=EAIaIQobChMIv6zA2sab6wIVBopaBR3q3Qp9EAAYASAAEgKncfD_BwE&pos=&step=pros&lang=en&device=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv6zA2sab6wIVBopaBR3q3Qp9EAAYASAAEgKncfD_BwE#/" rel="nofollow">Noom</a></li>
</ul>

<h4>Credits</h4>

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<li>Produced by

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<li><a href="https://www.burntfen.com" rel="nofollow">Richard Littauer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rebase.fm/" rel="nofollow">Rebase.fm</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Edited by Paul M. Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
<li>Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at <a href="https://www.peachtreesound.com/" rel="nofollow">Peachtree Sound</a></li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Kevin Owocki.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://opencollective.com/sustain-podcast">Support Sustain</a></p>]]>
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