Episode 65

CHAOSS and Sustain: A Joint Podcast


February 1st, 2021

44 mins 2 secs

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Special Guests

About this Episode


  • Pia Mancini
  • Richard Littauer


  • Venia Logan
  • Brian Proffitt
  • Georg Link

Show Notes

Hello and welcome to Sustain! Today, our episode is a shared podcast between Sustain and CHAOSScast. Along with Richard and Pia, we have Georg Link, Venia Logan, and Brian Proffitt joining us from CHAOSScast. We had the idea to do this special episode because there’s a lot of work happening on sustaining software and understanding the health of our communities, and CHAOSS focuses on what open source development is, how it works, what communities are, and how you can find metrics to figure out how something is. So, we will learn about these metrics they use, the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program, and the several areas that CHAOSS has to get involved in. Also, we learn about Sustain, how it started, what they do, and find out what Georg says works well for the Sustain community that brought him in. Also, find out where you can get involved in both the CHAOSS community and Sustain community. Download this episode now to find out more!

[00:03:24] Richard wants to know: If metrics lose some of the qualitative aspects of communities by focusing on quantitative metrics, how is this approach not stripping away the heart of open source?

[00:08:49] Pia wonders what are the most important qualitative metrics CHAOSS is evaluating. Georg tells us how they established the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program (D&I Badging) at CHAOSS.

[00:14:16] Richard wonders if they’ve found a lot of uptake for the badges and if people have started using them.

[00:14:53] Georg tells us how people can get involved besides joining the working group. He explains three main areas that CHAOSS has to get involved.

[00:19:53] Pia tells us what Sustain is, how it started, and what they do.

[00:22:18] Venia talks about the concept of what a company, organization, or community is to people, and how they want to see something happen, so they ask for more structure. Pia tells us about Open Collective.

[00:26:24] Pia brings up doing the first Sustain and the first insights they wrote from the meeting about maintainers.

[00:28:44] Venia talks about her consultation services and how she works with other companies to produce community strategies. Georg tells us what he thinks works well for the Sustain community and what brought him in.

[00:31:29] Richard gives praises to Gunner and Pia for all the work they’ve done with Sustain, and Pia shares with us about having concerns the first time they did an event with a lot of people.

[00:33:32] Georg tells where you can get involved in the CHAOSS community and Richard tells us where you can get involved in the Sustain community.


[00:35:21] Georg’s spotlight is an open source project called the Toolkit for YNAB.
[00:36:24] Venia’s spotlight is Scribus.
[00:37:36] Pia’s spotlight is Open Prioritization by Igalia.
[00:38:30] Brian’s spotlight is reMarkable 2.
[00:40:28] Richard’s spotlight is the Audubon Christmas Bird Count.



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